Flowing On Neutral – Part 4

Quarters and Cycles: Understanding the Straight and the Curve

With the centers reference then you understand the open close; the empty full; and the movement—the direction from the four quarters: how to move from which of the four quarters. There’s four quarters see: upper lower, left right—how this cycle turns and goes through which quarter to which quarter, so you can cut—understanding the straight line and the curve: like how you drive a car to make a corner: how you cut the line in order to be starting. No doubt it’s a curve but you want to make it straight. If it’s too straight, you want to curve.

So now today’s training, I’ll try to talk about FULLNESS point.

Fullness point is also one point; it has the highest point of meeting. Of the meeting point. Fullness you can say is how you meet; more like sometimes people will say it’s a fulcrum point; fulcrum point is a fullness point.

Why is it FULL?

Because this point is directly from the center. Directly from THIS center to meet on this center: to be one line 90 degree is a fullness point, it’s a highest point. Any ball, any circumference you touch, you say this is the highest—to where? To the center.  Because I touch it, it’s the highest…if I’m not touching these 2 sides are lower already: any point I touch is full…but if it’s without the reference to the center it’s wrong.

Because it’s the diameter line also. This fullness is also the fullness point that I touch. That means if my hand is this way and I touch this way—this is not the furthest—how to consider furthers? It means my circle comes from here: my fulcrum part is here… on point of contact. Because you have to adjust at this point of contact, this is not the furthest because my center is her; I need to adjust my c-7 back to here to adjust. 

If the point is here, then this is not the furthest. Understand? Unless I move the point or if I move myself behind it—if I move my mass behind it, then this point is also pointing at the opponent’s mass: that is the fullness in one line. You can say this is all physics. You can use science, math physics to explain this.

How are you going to train that?

It’s to maintain the fullness: to MAINTAIN the fullness so that everything adjusts to maintain this.  To maintain this—to be fullness, then fullness itself must have a quality: must have conditions to be full.

A center must have a condition to be a center. A center must have its own quality and properties to be a center that’s why a center must have left right up down forward back center is a junction point. FULLNESS? -the same.

It needs conditions to be the fullness and you need to maintain the conditions to keep the full. You must OBEY that. you can’t think that—no, you cannot. In a way, it means you have no thinking—if you think that means you relate back to your past and try to adjust that. NO—it’s based on meeting, reflecting direct. That you need to support this fullness. That’s why in Tao talks about if you can hold onto the circle with center—hold over there—everything will align over there. If you can hold over there. No other way. If you can’t, the conditions separate, the conditions are not formed, then the things aren’t formed. 

Everything is the same in life—with things happening. Everything’s the same. You need the condition.

Condition isn’t here, you can’t uphold something there—things will break down. In Zen, we say, if condition are there, things come by; if conditions is not there, they’ll fall apart. So, things come and go.

If you don’t recognize the condition things will not be maintained. You want to be clear, you must have the conditions. You want to be peaceful, you must have the conditions. Every has conditions—can your recon the conditions. That’s why we talk about cause and conditions. To see the conditions is not that easy. Normally we JUDGE on the condition, we don’t see the condition.  Even just to listen to this talk you need the condition to be able to listen or you think ‘ah, this is just rubbish.’

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Q: can you explain the ex. In terms of the ones we did yesterday in relation to expansion/compression in relation to balance of yin yang…. the progression of the exercise?

Point of Contact Itself Manifests the Center and The Cross.

Here’s where the Basic Exercises come in: you must know the 2 groups of muscles first, and the bone first. That means you must understand the dan tien and ming-men: then that the whole body has only 2 lines: yin and yang. Here’s where the macrocosmic energy comes. If you’re not clear of your own body flow, then how can you manifest on point of contact?

When I touch it, because my body has this flow, I have a center—I have 2 lines—when I touch it on the point of contact, I already have a center, I already matched my line like negative and positive I connect already! Yes? I connect my positive and negative line to your line—so I move: I draw there; I expand there—but I need to hold onto the centers. If I can’t hold onto the centers, I can’t do that. So on the point of contact itself manifest this: it manifests the center and the cross.

With the hardware and the software. The hardware is because have 2 lines here; the software, under rotation I have under different planes.

Q: Can you explain more about hardware and software?

Hardware means it’s your body that yin is yin, yang is yang –can’t be changed.

Software, your action: my yin can do yang action, my yang can do yin action—and it changes on point of contact: how it manifests to engage. Movement is based on point of contact to engage—what do you mean by engaging?

Meeting like meeting or to hold, alright? To have close-close, open-open, or to get across the half line—this is all engaging: how you engage to balance, engage to penetrate, or engage to hold, to expand it as one.

Engagement is to connect. You must have the connect that kind of conditions in order to function. That means you must know what is the condition over there [at the point], and your move is only acting accordingly to what the point is engaging.

The engaging point: you could be using your yang to engage on me—and I feel your Yang. Or you could use your yin to engage on me—you are drawing. You need to recognize the conditions—and how to act according to those conditions. It’s all through these 2 lines: the yin line and the yang line—there’s only 2 lines.

Without the connecting of the centers you have no reference. That’s why we say “your knowing is based on what reference?” So the training is not much, but it will take years.

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Q: on holding to rotation?

Sifu: first you must have the contact. If the contact here is too loose information and energy can’t transfer.

A lot things are between our joints—in order to generate power through our joints—the hip joint any joint, later on, you need to close up the gap—so you turn to close up the gap and then how to rotate to close so the energy transfers, or else you cannot

Q: because there’s play and you can’t get the reference?

Sifu: If it’s not closed, then even to turn into that direction, you cannot. If can’t be too loose – also can’t be too tight. Too tight that means the rotation of movement is not fluid, not smooth. Any questions?

So, we first move from rotation. Then we feel the point of contact on the center. Because with the rotation with the center that means it’s a circle which has a circle—when you move and circle with rotation, so these will combine together: rotation with a center, so you move on the center.

You will produce the circles also. Then on this rotation, on this circle, then the connecting on the point—how far you connect—if you first go to the shoulders—then you must have direct feedback from the centers first. If you don’t, it means you cannot.

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Quarters and Cycles: Understanding the Straight and the Curve

With the centers reference then you understand the open and close; the empty/full; and the movement—the direction from the four quarters: how to move from which of the four quarters.

There’s four quarters see: upper lower, left right—how this cycle turns and goes through which quarter to which quarter, so you can cut—understanding the straight line and the curve: like how you drive a car to make a corner: how you cut the line in order to be starting. No doubt it’s a curve but you want to make it straight. If it’s too straight, you want to curve.

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GM Sam FS Chin Flowing on Neutral

GM Sam FS Chin Flowing on Neutral

Experience/feel from that rotation…that’s why yesterday the movement we tried to experience: okay, if I don’t start with rotation—ok, how do I feel?

Then, if I do start with rotation, how do I feel?  In and out every rotation. Ok that is YOUR UNIFICATION with rotation. 

When it comes to Point of Contact, then a movement must have Circle with a Center. Circle with a Center then how do you move to hold on the centers. Here is one center you hold; from the point of contact there’s one center you hold, with rotation. With rotation we connect: that means you must circle with center and center to center.

You Must See the Cross of Open and Close

In order to see clearly on the centers, you must see the Cross of open and close—on the center, ok? That’s why yesterday I told you guys to do this exercise. Because you must hold and attention must be there to see the centers: to see the vertical line and the horizontal line—that means, you must from the center then you must connect the centers as a REFERENCE to see left right up and down: that means it’s a cross!

If you can’t see and be with the centers, you have no reference. You’re using the reference of THAT MOMENT OF CONTACT: MEETING THE CENTERS, using that moment itself! If you can’t reach over there to hold, to be with THAT reference, you won’t get any information. No information from that moments if you can’t get it, because you have no reference.

Or you can say, you may have a reference, but it will not be with the CENTER reference, so then your movement and direction will be the wrong movement because you’re not clear to get the centers. Because the center of the reference there is the bone first; bone is the skeleton to hold the structure of the whole body; if the skeleton isn’t there you can’t move—you will collapse.

No doubt people say you need muscles; but yin yang muscles are 2 groups—but what HOLD the muscles is the bone. That means the BONE is the neutral is the center—it’s the neutral of yin yang muscles—it holds the muscles. So you need that reference to be clear. So all the training is to get that reference clear. That means why? That attention must be thee. Can your attention arrive there?  How can you arrive there? Form connect to feel the pressure—can you maintain to stretch.

Stretching Is Building Up the Pressure–Use The Pressure to Knock on Something and Return

You hear a lot of people say you must stretch from the point.

Stretching is building up pressure: building up pressure as the frequency! –This frequency to there!  The pressure that KNOCKS on something to return. And how to hold? How to hold and return is a PROCESS: of non-stop going there and coming back. It’s not: go there, I stop going and I come back.

RETURN means the cycle completes and nothing has stopped it: must be two ways: I’m coming back and I’m still going forward and this is still coming back. But reverse it needs to stops one side: you cannot have 2 ways when you reverse. RETURN: It’s a cycle: on a cycle, then coming back it will be under a different quality: that’s how a COMPLEMENTARY works (if it’s the same, you cannot).

That’s yang is expanding yin is drawing—like day and night—they are different: cold and hot have diff density; diff kind of quality of movement. Cold it thaws, hot it expands: this balance of complementary is not 50/50 balance. So how to get the cycle of return? Practically speaking it’s already a cycle (it’s there already!) It’s cycling already—if can’t cycle, you can’t function.

Are you guys clear on yesterday’s exercise? That kind of exercise you have to train for years. Not saying ‘oh, I know now; you don’t know.’ You have that kind of quality expressed on instance contact. Can’t say ‘wait, wait, wait—let me do something first.” No, can you change with the change I that instant?

A Higher Kind of Cultivation

So, you can say sometimes ‘it’s too refined—it seems that it’s hopeless that it seems it can’t be trained. It’s so hard to understand, how can I get that. You need a certain quality to attain that or else you cannot. That’s the refined higher kind of skill—a higher kind of cultivation.  Because with that you need more control, more discipline, more self-control. If you don’t have that—you can’t., Discipline and control means you know more of yourself—you’re expanding to know more of yourself. Then, through point of contact then slowly you know your opponent—and you can say… not everyone can be able to train it. Actually, everyone should have this—the problem is that a lot of people won’t see it that way, because of past experience or habit.

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Sifu: Good morning! Questions first?

What I teach may be hard to understand for those not really into the curriculum. No doubt yesterday I teach the ‘real thing’: it’s the real thing because that’s why you can do, what you’re looking for—from direct.  Direct is that you only can be connecting to see that. It’s not you have to fall back to past experience to get the message or information. Yesterday what I showed you guys is how to get information.

Q: last step is just holding the neutral offense

When you’re neutral offense you can strike any time.  That means you are on the neutral defense or neutral offense…if you’re already on the offensive side you can whack him. When it comes to control you cannot control on DEFENSE; defense is 50/50. Offense is because you understand I’ve already crossed the half line. Offense means I can get you but you can’t get me when you have neutral offense.  I you don’t have neutral offense, he can get you—when you cross he can cross, too. Because you hold on to the neutral to do the close close or open open, then he cannot.

As I’ve said before, holding the space—same time and same space—only 1 can occupy. If I sit here, you can’t sit here. So if I get the space, you cannot, unless it’s a different space, then it’ll be under different time.   So, you can say that in the beginning of the Flow, you try to stay on neutral, but you can also try, at first, to learn with neutral defense: then you know the limits.

Flow Has the Idea Of You Do Things Within the Limits 

Only neutral, it’s sometimes hard to detect the limits. But with Neutral Defense—there are 2 points there, so It’s able to give you a better sense of if you’re still within the limits or not. Flow has the idea of you do things within the limits also—out of the limits, that means you’re following. The Flow will turn into following, you see? So when it comes to CONTROL, we must be in Neutral OFFENSE; you can’t control in Neutral DEFENSE: you can only PREVENT in neutral defense. For control, you must be one step ahead.   That means, if he wants to come into you, he needs to neutralize your defense first, so that’s one step. So, Offense, that means you have to be able to cross the half-line, but I didn’t strike you—I still maintain Neutral Offense. Level 7, then, on control, there will be a moment when Upper Hand can strike. Then, I want to strike but you want to show you can maintain as a control over there. So the training of the procedure must be very clear. You can’t control on defense. That’s why neutral Offense and neutral Defense must be very clear: that means the half-line. There’s a 3-dimension half-line. 

Primordial Energy, the Beginning of Energy, the Balance Energy 

So, as yesterday, we approach it first from One point:  One-point approach means one point of movement that means one point is a rotation…so that rotation you can say that is also spiral energy—Also as Chen style tai chi states, it’s Chan2 Si1 Jing 4 [silk reeling power] –so that’s why Chen style says it’s primary energy—is chan si jing; it’s right, it’s not wrong; in our sense, too:  because he has to hold onto one point; and if you understand one point that one point has 6 directions, 3 dimensions, that reduce—sometimes later they call it the primordial energy, the beginning of energy, the balance energy.

That’s why Feng, Zhi Qiang calls it [ ?? ] Hun4 Yuan2 Tai4 Ji2—source of the beginning—the origin, that’s primordial. They have—I don’t know what he named, that’s the meaning you see, of the very base of things. That means it must come from the balance point. From the balance. So, Balance must come from the center. So the center has conditions to be a center, as the neutral point.

Whatever You Train Must Relate Back to the Philosophy

Like I said before, everything that WE train is based on what philosophy? The philosophy of Tao and Zen which is based on the nature of change. So whatever you train here is to change. Whatever you say must relate there, whatever you train must relate back to the philosophy. If it’s not related, then what you train is still falling back. This I the MOST important point. When you say something—is it related to that? are they comparable with this? If not, don’t say it, unless you use a different philosophy. For our system, we use that philosophy. You must understand that diff philosophy will have different concepts and combine with diff principles. If you use this philosophy, then we have these concepts and principles that align and point back to this philosophy. So all the instructs who give instructions must know how to give instructions—must align to that philosophy.

Don’t teach students you must think about this—or all these things, something to add. In the beginning, yes, you can tell them some things—but only do this but only for this period…the student must know they are only using this as a stepping stone 

Readiness—the readiness must come from the balance point, but sometimes it’s so hard to get alertness and readiness from the balance point. If you don’t know how to use it … how to explain what comes first. Because you must be able to use it, but practically, you must know HOW to do that in order to pay attention also–or else you cannot. So you need to have some attention—then attention needs to have some concentration in order to do something in the first place, where does this come by? It’s very hard to explain.

So, the instruction must be given correctly.  But everything has its own conditions. Readiness sometimes we can use—we can use fear to trigger readiness, to trigger alertness.  But it’s the wrong approach. But sometimes, if you don’t do it, sometimes they can’t figure it out. But the alertness quality is the same but it goes through fear: one layer that changes things. But you need to have fear to trigger it up first so you can see ‘oh, this is how alertness is, how readiness is.’ Then you slowly turn it to get rid of fear to slowly change back into balanced harmony.

Q: Can you train it without fear, with the right philosophical approach…can fear be used as a context


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Sifu: yes, but it’s very, very hard. Fear is based on a past reference—because in the moment you don’t have this thing. In the moment you don’t have fear or happy, that kind of thing. You can say because it’s more of calmness. So whenever you do something, you must explain this is not the final one, but you need this one first.

From yesterday’s training, as I said, it’s because of connecting direct—you need to connect, you need to direct, you need to link, you need to have a reflection. To start big to be in the moment. To hold on the point, to connect on the point. If you connect on the point, that very beginning, then if you want to move on that connecting point, then what is the movement that you can do? —it’s only rotation: rotation up and down and pivot like this…and up and down rotation, that’s all.  And that rotation is the VERTICAL ENERGY under the plane: frontal, sagittal it leaves the point. Only vertical rotation holds—with the gravity first –that means everything must come up from here and go back to here).  

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