Training whilst walking
Thu, 05/03/2007 - 1:59am
I do a fair amount of walking, I got a little beagle, and was experimenting with the saggital roll in the dantien. The 2 directions had quite distinct differing feelings and helped me visualise the kicking types, ie. stamping or hooking. Anyone else got any training tips for everyday stuff ?
Steve:)
Sat, 05/05/2007 - 3:24pm
#2
Our guys train in the subway. Instead of more quickly to occupy an empty seat, they prefer to go standing in zhanzhuan. Well certainly without a hold a ball. :)
One pupil went for work to the subway. Before him the back stood the person, and it seemed to the pupil, that his stand somehow strange familiarly. There were many people, not all managed to keep for a handrail. Suddenly a train has strongly rocked. People were tumbled down in the different sides, and the person standing ahead of the pupil by a back to them, has started to rotate in a horizontal circle. " It is exact. Our person. I-Liq chuan. " - pupil has thought. The person has really appeared our pupil. :)
Sun, 05/06/2007 - 3:47am
#3
Ashe,
Yeah the walking certainly is interesting and helps me understand doing both the processes at the same time.
Hi Dasha,
The subway is a good place to train for the stability. Also buses and skateboarding. I tend to ride my bike or drive though.
Steve
:)
Tue, 05/08/2007 - 6:07am
#4
Hi Dasha
I just read your last post again and it makes more sense now, the translator makes it seem like you're writing in code:D
Maybe the man studies an internal art, there is mention on 3 circles in the internal arts forums but the focus seems to be missed by most. Did anyone ask him ?
What other internal styles are practised overthere ?
Steve:)
Wed, 05/09/2007 - 1:05pm
#5
[QUOTE=Dasha;32]Our guys train in the subway. Instead of more quickly to occupy an empty seat, they prefer to go standing in zhanzhuan. [/QUOTE]
i get a lot of this type of training at work. i ride around on a moving platform with lot's of stop and go, and lot's of changing direction, so i will spend some time practicing "spiraling to recollect".
i think it's good practice, especially for mindfulness and concentration, but i think that it's limited in direct application to our art, since the angles of force are different than with an opponent.
hey, the new hair style suits you by the way. :)
Wed, 05/09/2007 - 3:31pm
#6
I sometimes do some standing when I'm riding the train back home. Trying to keep the center of gravity feeling is a fun exercise in mindfulness even if the lurching the of train isn't quite the same of force from partner training.
Of course, I'm lazy, so I make a run for an empty seat after a couple of stops.
Wed, 05/09/2007 - 4:52pm
#7
anytime is a good time to practice principles and structure
I am a busy person, wearing many hats. There is no time to set aside for regular training in my life, not even a daily hour outside of my teaching time. Instead, I work on constant mindfulness of my structure and the principles and concepts. I pray for discerment at all times. It is a lofty goal but sometimes I get close.
For example, right now typing, I am consciously of my posture, shoulders down and using my whole body to type. I am aware of the 10 points on the feet and the relationship of knees to toes, etc. Every movement flows [B]if[/B] I can maintain awareness. If I know myself here and now, then I know myself when I am spinning. We will see in Tuscon on May 20.
:D I respectfully disagree with Ashe. Anything we do to consciously practice anywhere anytime is useful. The art and principles of Tai chi is susposed to be translated to our daily life. Ultimately "Tai chi is the art of living."
This approach works for my students too. Mindfulness is a kicker.
Try the ocean current for Zhan Zhuan!
Thu, 05/10/2007 - 3:11am
#8
Hi Ariel,
I agree that mindfulness is for all moments and that realising this difficulty is part of the process. Also there are specifics that can only be done with a partner that Ashe was refering to, but I think if you are harmonized within yourself then when you are with an opponent you only need to observe and flow with the point of contact.
Incidentally I've added juggling and object balancing into my practice, the angles are different but there seems to be an improvement in sensitivity and awareness.:D
Also I believe that the benefits of practising this art are beyond being able to fight, it looks to the truth, to being an aware being.;)
Steve
Thu, 05/10/2007 - 8:33am
#9
I think this kind of training can be directly applicable to the art in that it can help one unify the self. What Ashe says is true (from what I understand of the art) in that this kind of training is limited and does not help to unify the self with an opponent...
Thu, 05/10/2007 - 1:05pm
#10
[QUOTE=ben;1394]I think this kind of training can be directly applicable to the art in that it can help one unify the self. What Ashe says is true (from what I understand of the art) in that this kind of training is limited and does not help to unify the self with an opponent...[/QUOTE]
actually i think you hit it spot on ben.
the one type of training is really good for helping you to unify yourself, but doesn't necessarily lead to unifying yourself with opponent.
if it did we wouldn't need spinning and sticky hand and we could just do zhan zhang. ;)
Sat, 05/12/2007 - 3:48pm
#11
[QUOTE=Steve Bobs;37]Hi Dasha
I just read your last post again and it makes more sense now, the translator makes it seem like you're writing in code:D
Maybe the man studies an internal art, there is mention on 3 circles in the internal arts forums but the focus seems to be missed by most. Did anyone ask him ?
What other internal styles are practised overthere ?
Steve:)[/QUOTE]
Hi!
It was our student. Iliqchuan.
What other internal styles are practised overthere ? - Where? In Russia or in our club?
Sun, 05/13/2007 - 11:09pm
#12
Hey Gongfu,
I was wondering about popular internal styles in your area but I'm also interested in finding out what you guys actually train along with ILC.
Steve
Mon, 05/14/2007 - 3:52pm
#13
Steve
Gongfu - it's my old Login. (Dasha)
I personally learn only Iliqchuan. Someone combines Iliqchuan with other styles of Taiji, Karate. Iliqchuan is popular among Muai Thai fighters.
Wed, 05/16/2007 - 9:19am
#14
Hi Dasha,
I was just wondering as some of the drills you guys have posted on youtube look a little different. One in particular looks a bit like wing chun. I previously trained in wing chun but only study i liq chuan and qigong now.
Steve
Wed, 05/16/2007 - 3:16pm
#15
Alex used to train Wing Chun before e came to the Sifu. I asked Sifu about some of their drills and he said as long as we stick to the principles, we're free to experiemnt and come up with our own drills for training.
Wed, 05/16/2007 - 3:52pm
#16
Yes, sifu Alex many years up to Iliqchuan studied Wing Chun. When only has come to study to him, on my request to teach me except for Iliqchuan and Wing Chun too, he has answered, that Iliqchuan - the supreme art.
Exercise like wing chun sifu Alex coordinated with Sigong, and instead of wing chun's technics we are made pair throwhands on further, middle and close ranges.
Tue, 08/07/2007 - 7:53pm
#17
training tips
Steve I have tried with Jogging. I have also tried using the mingnum to project with every stride however I must say this is quite tuff and the longer you are in the jogg the harder it gets as fatigue sets in. I know I haven't got it right but it I keep trying.
Sat, 08/11/2007 - 1:13am
#18
[QUOTE=Des Morgan;1694] I know I haven't got it right but it I keep trying.[/QUOTE]
strive on with diligence! :D
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 12:31am
#19
Hey Des,
I don't jogg myself so I can't comment on that so much, but I cycle a lot and can feel there is an absorb/project interplay. The difficulty is as you say to stay focused and aware when fatigue starts to set in, interestingly is it the mental fatigue at trying to be aware that causes the physical fatigue or the physical causing the mind to stray and thus losing concentration ?;)
I get from the recent workshop that the yin and yang are in a constant flow and that both are equally important, so in regards to jogging the planting of the forward step (from the mingmen to the big toe) is as important as the retrieval of the back foot (from the little toe to the perinium to the dantien). I guess that trying to be aware of both is in it'self an exercise to expand your concentration.
Also, just thinking on that, if there is a recycling of energy with awareness then maybe :rolleyes: it would take longer to get tired ?
Steve
Thu, 08/16/2007 - 12:42am
#20
[QUOTE=ben;1394]I think this kind of training can be directly applicable to the art in that it can help one unify the self. What Ashe says is true (from what I understand of the art) in that this kind of training is limited and does not help to unify the self with an opponent...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ashe;1400]actually i think you hit it spot on ben.
the one type of training is really good for helping you to unify yourself, but doesn't necessarily lead to unifying yourself with opponent.
if it did we wouldn't need spinning and sticky hand and we could just do zhan zhang. ;)[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree guys, but Sikung at our recent workshop said to us that if the self is'nt unified then every thing else would be wrong. So as the second part in the ILC system any training that brings awareness to the 13 points should be valid, using the body awareness gained from the 15 exercises and applying it in everyday life.
So it's only limited by how well you know yourself.
Best
Steve
Mon, 04/19/2010 - 6:01pm
#21
Training
Did you think that I meant to exclusion of Spinning Hands?
If so You made a black and white assumption as if there is no room for gray.
Unification of self and awareness of self is what we can do along with other things while one waits for the opportunity to spin.
Mon, 04/19/2010 - 6:12pm
#22
You got my gist
Yes, that is where I am coming from.
One can spin and gain realizations.
One can unify self to unify with opponent and spin with greater results.
I don't think you can spin as well if you are not unified. Big guys can muscle it. I can't do that I am an old lady. I must be unified before the spinning "works" for me.
Also, what about all those studies about learning? There are two that come to mind, one in China and one in the US. In both studies, one group did regular practice, one group did nothing, and one group visualized the plays. It was concluded that the group that visualized the strategies did just about as well as the group that actually physically practiced. the US study was basket ball and I think the China study was ping pong.
Interesting . . . 
work on the cycle of absorb and project during walking. later add in expand and condense, you'll notice it's especially obvious in the swing of the arms. ;)
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