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Limitations of ILC?


I am interested in beginning with martial arts and am exploring different options. ILC appears to be a martial art that connects both mind and body in a practical way.

It appeals to me because it is based on Zen principles and comes from a place of awareness, rather than brute force.

However, I noticed that there is no ground fighting. How would an ILC master succeed over a Brazilian jiu jitsu master?

Also, how effective is ILC in combat? Would it be effective if used with a Kickboxing opponent for example?

Are there any limitations to it? If so, what are these?

With appreciation,

1) There's no specific ground

1) There's no specific ground-fighting curriculum in ILC system, but you can certainly apply the principles into ground-fighting once you understand them. We have lots of ILC practitioners who also practice ground fightings such as BJJ or MMA ground-work, (myself included) that find no conflicts but huge boosts in understanding of ground fighting.
2) Effectiveness of any art is ultimately up to the practitioner's skill level. Many ILC students have won (and sometimes lose, to be honest) San Da tournaments and kickboxing tournaments. (I have too)
3) As for limitations, that'll depend on your reference and goal. ILC probably won't help you get as nimble and flexible as a Yogi, nor get you to become the fastest runner, fastest runner, speediest swimmer... etc. However, there are principles in ILC/Zhong Xin Dao that you can apply into your daily lives and improve many, if not all, activities you desire to do. One example, when opening a heavy door each morning, I pay attention to pulling it as closely to perpendicular to the handle as possible, and it would be the most efficient. Following the nature and not against it is a main principle in ILC.

Try some local classes near you, and attend Grandmaster Chin or another ILC instructor's workshops and see for yourself.

    Jeffrey Wong

I second what Jeff said in his comment in response to your questions. I train both I Liq Chuan (ILC) and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (BJJ). I find them to be very complementary with each other.

I don't think the question of whether a master in one could beat a master in the other can really be answered. That always depends on the individual.

What both arts have in common is a focus on controlling an opponent. The training to achieve this control however is quite different. ILC training is very concept-based. BJJ training is very technique-based.

From this standpoint BJJ can be very overwhelming because of the sheer volume of techniques that have to be memorized and perfected (as many as a thousand techniques at the higher levels). In ILC learning a thousand techniques would be referred to as "accumulation." A person can accumulate without developing real understanding.

ILC has helped me understand BJJ better and a bit more simply because it's given me a conceptual framework to work with. In ILC techniques become apparent when the concepts are understood; the number of techniques then becomes limited only by your understanding of the underlying concepts.

ILC focuses on standup concepts. BJJ focuses on ground fighting with some standup. ILC concepts can also be applied on the ground once you understand them.

Not all BJJ schools are the same. Some focus on competition. Some focus on self defense. Some do both. ILC can be used for both.

As I said, I find the two arts very complementary, rather than being competitors with each other. You can't go wrong with ILC though because it will give you a way of better understanding any other martial art. BJJ training will only help you understand BJJ.

Please let me know if you have other questions or comments.



Good Morning Ken. Thank you for such a wonderful post of your understanding about the I Liq Chuan, while educated me something about BJJ. We should checking this discussing board more often! Martha and Lim

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